Ivana starts off this Being In Conversation With episode by sharing an insight that she had around how her well being isn’t dependent on another person also being in that same space.
Kaye talks about the labels we put on ourselves and that others put on us, boxing each other into specific roles to make it easier to interact with each other from within those boxes. Kaye can see how she used to do that in the past and how she also sometimes purposely would show up in a different box to the box the other person would put her in, just to have an ego battle and rebel, being a rebel without a cause. Now Kaye can see that all these boxes that we make up for ourselves and for others, are made up. She now no longer believes in them and she no longer needs to show up in the box that another person puts her in. It just doesn’t even occur to think that there is a box anymore.